1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,760 Russian writer Alexander Pushkin once said, 2 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,920 the illusion which exalts us is dearer to us than 10,000 truths. 3 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,760 If Pushkin had lived in the 20th century, 4 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,160 he would have had a heyday browsing through UFO literature. 5 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:37,360 In this strange world, where faith is often more important 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,920 than knowledge, swindlers abound, 7 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,560 the world is full of tricksters of the imagination. 8 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:39,680 Since the early 1950s, a rumor has persisted in UFO circles 9 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,000 that one or more flying saucers crashed in one of the largest American deserts 10 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,120 in Arizona, New Mexico or Utah. 11 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,120 And what's more, according to witness reports, 12 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,160 not only did the American army recover remnants of this craft, 13 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,600 they also captured some of its occupants. 14 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,400 Despite the army's silence, the mystery has lingered year after year. 15 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,600 Should we or shouldn't we believe that aliens were captured? 16 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,840 That is the question. 17 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,360 The rumor grew as a result of information from various sources, 18 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,440 such as Timothy Good, author of Beyond Top Secret. 19 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,720 In Beyond Top Secret, I published the story of a Polish biophysicist 20 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:37,000 who together with a team of French, British and Italian scientists, 21 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,400 was taken to a vault in the JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, 22 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,080 California, where three levels below the floor level, 23 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,720 they were shown materials, part of a skull and a hip bone 24 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,560 of an alien creature recovered in New Mexico in 1947. 25 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,200 They weren't given any further details, 26 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,120 but subsequently this Polish biophysicist whose information I use 27 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,680 comes up with some detailed scientific information 28 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,760 about what he learned about these creatures. 29 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,040 However, despite Timothy Good's opinion, 30 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,800 these unverifiable accounts do not constitute valuable proof 31 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,920 in the eyes of non-believers. 32 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,600 If they can't see and touch an alien, 33 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,160 skeptics need more convincing proof than mere empty words. 34 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,560 In the midst of ongoing debates between believers and skeptics, 35 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,600 something spectacular happened. 36 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:40,040 In the early 1990s, Raymond Santilli, a London-based film distributor, 37 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,040 released an archived film that hit the world like a bombshell 38 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,840 in both UFO circles and the general public. 39 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,440 In the early 1990s, a film came to light, 40 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,160 brought to the public by a chap called Ray Santilli, 41 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,480 who effectively said that he had purchased canisters of film 42 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,960 from someone in America who had shot them back in the 40s, 43 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,240 and that what effectively they revealed was the autopsy 44 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,800 of a captured alien at Roswell or at some similar sort of event, 45 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,520 and you see the eyelids being removed 46 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 and you see bits of the body being looked at. 47 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,760 And either... I mean, it has the merit of one thing. 48 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,080 Either that is a genuine alien autopsy or it's a fake. 49 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 There's no argument that this could be some kind of mistake, 50 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,840 that it's something else or whatever else. 51 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:28,440 It's either one or the other. 52 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,360 As John Spencer said, the film Alien Autopsy 53 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,160 fired up debates within the UFO community 54 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,360 regarding authenticity of proof. 55 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Since verbal accounts of UFO sightings 56 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,040 did not seem to be convincing enough proof, 57 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,360 some believers decided to hark back to the old adage, 58 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,800 a picture is worth a thousand words. 59 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,800 Starting in the 1950s, 60 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,800 a series of amazing photos began to appear in the press. 61 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,800 A photo that was supposed to depict an alien charred 62 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,800 to the controls of a spacecraft was dubbed Tomato Man, 63 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,800 because of the perfectly round shape of the head. 64 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,800 Upon closer examination of the picture, 65 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,800 a pair of eyeglasses could be seen near the burnt body, 66 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,800 proving that it was nothing more than a human pilot. 67 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,800 In 1982, American UFO researcher Leonard Stringfield 68 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,800 published Crash Retrievals, Status Report 3, 69 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,800 a document that dealt exclusively with alleged UFO crashes. 70 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,800 On page 47 of the document, 71 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,800 readers can see a picture of what is supposed to be 72 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,800 an alien hand found by American agents in southern Florida. 73 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,800 The famous photo appeared in several UFO magazines 74 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,800 before falling into the hands of a photo professional in Massachusetts. 75 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,800 Mark Peliquin had been a medical photographer 76 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,800 with Harvard University's Department of Neurobiology for eight years. 77 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,800 When I saw this picture of the alien hand, 78 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,800 it struck me first as a very poor quality photograph. 79 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,800 I saw right from the top that it was most likely 80 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,800 a very poor copy, maybe for a few years, 81 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,800 of a museum catalog photograph 82 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,800 based on what I saw for the lighting and the density of it. 83 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,800 Curiously enough, it was about that time, too, 84 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,800 when I saw an exhibit at the Peabody Museum at Harvard 85 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,800 on showpieces from P.T. Barnum. 86 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,800 And in there was an artifact that he touted around 87 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,800 called the Mermaid. 88 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,800 It had some obscure origin in the Philippines or something like that, 89 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,800 but it was essentially like a fish body with a monkey skull 90 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,800 and these hands clued onto it, 91 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,800 and the hands looked exactly like the alien hand. 92 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,800 Harvard was kind enough to provide me with a photograph 93 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,800 which was a very rare thing to see. 94 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,800 I was kind enough to provide me with a photograph 95 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 which I sent to authorities who, 96 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,800 UFO authorities who I very much respect, 97 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:22,800 and the alien hand became no longer the alien hand. 98 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,800 In the fall of 1990, 99 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,800 newspapers published a photograph of what they claimed 100 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,800 to be one of the aliens retrieved in Roswell, 101 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,800 stating that the picture had been found 102 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,800 in the archives of the deceased Dr. Felix Zigo, 103 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,800 an obscure Russian UFO specialist. 104 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,800 A few months later, 105 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,800 a second photograph appeared on the same subject, 106 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,800 but much clearer than the first, 107 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,800 raising wild speculation in UFO circles. 108 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,800 Was it a leak within the Air Force 109 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,800 or a hoax orchestrated by information agencies? 110 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Although the origin of the first photo could not be confirmed, 111 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,800 the origin of the second one could. 112 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,800 In an article published in The Orbiter, 113 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,800 American UFO researcher Jim Malesiuk 114 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,800 said that he had obtained the photo 115 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,800 from Canadian journalist Christian Page. 116 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,800 The humanoid in the pictures 117 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,800 was nothing more than a wax and latex figure 118 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,800 on display in the early 1980s 119 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,800 at the Strange Strange World Pavilion, 120 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,800 one of the few buildings still remaining 121 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,800 from the 1967 Man and His World exhibition. 122 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,800 In February 1990, 123 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,800 a few years before Raymond Santilli 124 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,800 distributed his alien autopsy film, 125 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,800 which had allegedly been taped by the U.S. Air Force 126 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,800 the day after a flying saucer crashed in the Roswell Desert, 127 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,800 American and Canadian UFO researchers 128 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,800 began to receive a series of strange documents in the mail. 129 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,800 The anonymous author claimed 130 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,800 that on November 4th, 1989, 131 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,800 a flying object of unknown origin 132 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,800 had been forced to make an emergency landing 133 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,800 in the swamp outside of the small town of Carp, Ontario. 134 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,800 Once on the ground, 135 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,800 the UFO, still intact, was fired upon by three helicopters 136 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,800 sent to the scene by Canadian and U.S. secret services 137 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,800 who were working together on this matter. 138 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Next, using the nerve gas Vexon, 139 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,800 which is not widely known, 140 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,800 a commando unit moved in on the craft, 141 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,800 which did not fire at them. 142 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,800 They reached the controls of the ship, 143 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,800 where they found the bodies of three reptilian creatures. 144 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Pretending to be carrying out road work near the swamp, 145 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,800 the army discreetly moved the UFO 146 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,800 to a secret government facility in Canada 147 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,800 under the cover of night. 148 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,800 As for the mysterious creatures, 149 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,800 they were supposedly secretly transported 150 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,800 to the University of Ottawa, 151 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,800 where CIA physiologists performed an autopsy on them. 152 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,800 This incredible tale was accompanied 153 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,800 by the topographical map of the area, 154 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,800 as well as a photograph of one of the captured creatures. 155 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,800 When he got wind of this amazing story, 156 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,800 Graham Lightfoot, a local UFO researcher, 157 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,800 headed to Carp to investigate for himself. 158 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,800 I went to the area, 159 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,800 and on a Saturday, thinking people would be home, 160 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,800 talked to eight to ten people, 161 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,800 I just forget exactly, 162 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,800 and asked them had they seen anything over the swamp. 163 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,800 So I talked to people who had the best view of that, 164 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,800 and nobody had seen anything, 165 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,800 and I was getting a bit frustrated. 166 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,800 So where else do I go? 167 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,800 So I turn and go to the other side of the road, 168 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,800 and lo and behold, found two people who had seen something. 169 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,800 One turned out to be the Labenex, 170 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,800 and she told me that a bright light had been seen over the swamp, 171 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,800 as bright as an arc welding or electric welding at night time, 172 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,800 and it was at such and such an angle from her house. 173 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,800 Later on the same day, I was further down the road 174 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,800 and found another younger lady who also told me 175 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,800 she saw a bright light in the swamp behind her house, 176 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,800 and disturbed the dogs, the light shone through their windows. 177 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,800 So in talking to those people, they didn't know what it was, 178 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,800 I didn't know what it was. 179 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Interestingly, the story that was given with that report, 180 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,800 that there had been a crash, 181 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,800 said that roads had been cut into the swamp to take out the downed UFO, 182 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,800 and even in the winter when I first looked at that, 183 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,800 there was no way anybody had cut a road into that swamp. 184 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,800 And I sort of said, well, that part of it isn't true, 185 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,800 maybe somebody saw a bright light, 186 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:08,800 but they certainly hadn't cut any roads into retrieve anything from that swamp. 187 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Just when it appeared that this matter was fading into oblivion, 188 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,800 further correspondence sparked the interest of carp investigators once again. 189 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,800 A year after the first anonymous package was sent, 190 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,800 UFO researchers received another one, 191 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,800 in which the author identified himself under the pseudonym Guardian, 192 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,800 and said that he was a member of the Guardians of the Secrets of the Holy Grail. 193 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,800 Other than a new story and various interesting clues, 194 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,800 the package also contained a videotape showing a UFO that Guardian had filmed. 195 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Graham Lightfoot tells us what was on the tape. 196 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,800 One of the things that was sent out was a video, the VHS video. 197 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:58,800 And on the label of that video was the name Guardian, typewritten, with a fingerprint. 198 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,800 And that sort of indicated catch me if you can or whatever, 199 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,800 but curious way to send something with no names. 200 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,800 But the documents that came with that also referred to Guardian. 201 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,800 There were various documents sent to different people. 202 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Some had a story, others had, or in addition to the story, had playing cards 203 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:30,800 with little notes written on there that DND and Cesis is involved and things like that. 204 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Very curious why would you send playing cards. 205 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,800 It looked like a game. 206 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,800 The only thing that made any sense was the background map 207 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:48,800 happened to be the same area of Manion's Corners that the 89 crash had been written about. 208 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:55,800 The videotape that Guardian had sent starts off with flares 209 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,800 or some sort of red light, four of them, burning nighttime picture. 210 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,800 So it's totally black background with these four flares or red lights. 211 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:13,800 And beside it, stationary is a large, I'll say a large object. 212 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,800 The only way you know there's anything there is the fact that it's illuminated from underneath 213 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,800 and it's a very, very bright, intense light. 214 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,800 And on top of this structure, because it's apparent something was there, 215 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,800 was a rotating or a flashing beacon. 216 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:37,800 That video was filmed by someone holding the camera on their shoulder, presumably, walking towards it. 217 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,800 Thinking that it was a hoax, Graeme Lightfoot returned to Carp, 218 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 accompanied by Canadian and US researchers. 219 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,800 He later discovered that there was a reason why they were being so helpful. 220 00:14:52,800 --> 00:15:00,800 Bob Exler from the United States had been contacted and he contacted Mufon Ontario. 221 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:07,800 And we all met in Carleton Place and then I led them out to the site. 222 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,800 And there was about 12 or 14 of us that day. 223 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:20,800 And my thought was that we would knock on doors to see if anybody would split up the area 224 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:28,800 and knock on doors to see if anybody had seen anything back on August the 18th of the previous year. 225 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,800 We started to, we didn't knock on any doors, which I thought was a bit odd. 226 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,800 But anyway, we did walk around the area. 227 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,800 A lot of the chaps were getting hot and tired, mosquito bites and all that sort of thing. 228 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:50,800 And they decided we'd all go for supper in to Carp, to a pub in Carp. 229 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:59,800 Bob Exler and his son Dan said, no, they were going to find the crash site and they were going to stick at it. 230 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,800 But within half an hour they showed up at the pub too. 231 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,800 And oh, we found the site. 232 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:15,800 So the rest of the chaps were not happy with the way Exler was doing things. 233 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:23,800 He seemed to have all the answers, had found the site now, when nobody else even knew where to look for the site. 234 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,800 And they more or less washed their hands of it and went home. 235 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,800 On the other hand, I only live an hour away from that location. 236 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:40,800 And I was curious enough to decide, well, I'm going to stick with it and see what's going on. 237 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,800 See if we can find an answer. 238 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:49,800 And since we had a quote expert from the U.S. here, let's see how an expert does it. 239 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,800 And so we spent the next day going around the area. 240 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:03,800 And I finally convinced Exler, let's go and talk to Labenex, because Diane Labeneck had seen the light from 89. 241 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,800 I said, wouldn't it make sense to go and talk to her? 242 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Maybe she saw something. 243 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,800 When we talked to the Labenex and she told us that yes, she had seen this spaceship. 244 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 She called it a ship repeatedly. 245 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,800 She saw a fire in the grass. 246 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,800 And yet it wasn't moving as it should if it was a grass fire. 247 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:34,800 And then she saw a ship or spaceship land, which is what was in the Guardian video. 248 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,800 In the Guardian video, it didn't land. 249 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,800 It was stationary. 250 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,800 It was already on the ground. 251 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,800 But Diane told us that she saw it land. 252 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:55,800 And it sat there for a few minutes and she could see a lightning strike, sort of a zigzag line on the side of the craft and the lights and so on. 253 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,800 And after a short while, it took off. 254 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,800 And then when it took off and disappeared, the lights went out, the flares. 255 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:13,800 Now, that's her story, but what she described matched pretty closely what Guardian had sent on his video. 256 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:19,800 And at that time, Diane had not seen the video that we had been given. 257 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,800 So it made sense that she was telling a pretty good story. 258 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:31,800 As Graham Lightfoot and his colleagues inspected the site, they were unaware that they were being watched by another organization. 259 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Also interested in the mysterious Guardian. 260 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Learning that a suspicious character was fabricating documents and attempting to pass them off as official reports of the Department of National Defense, 261 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,800 the RCMP decided to carry out its own investigation. 262 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,800 The RCMP came to the same conclusion as Graham Lightfoot. 263 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,800 That Guardian was nothing more than a charlatan. 264 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:03,800 According to the RCMP, the alleged UFO on the videotape was nothing more than a Sikorsky helicopter filmed in the dark. 265 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:11,800 As for the identity of Guardian himself, Graham Lightfoot suspected that it was a UFO follower who was well known in the area. 266 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,800 I think I know who Guardian is. 267 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:22,800 As I say, he's been known in the area for talking about UFOs for forever, for 40 years. 268 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,800 He has not admitted that to anyone to my knowledge. 269 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:36,800 I have tried to see him. I've knocked on his door because I know, I think I know who it is, but he won't even answer the door. 270 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,800 So I think it was probably done as a game. 271 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,800 When I say game, it was just fun. It was something to do. 272 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:53,800 Can we do it? And looking at the video, I'd say they did a pretty good job. 273 00:19:53,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Although the second-hand account of the carp incident was fairly simple to solve, others were much more complicated. 274 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Like the Umoa Fair, a case so wrapped in mystery that many still doubt today that it could have been a hoax. 275 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:22,800 One of the most ardent defenders of the Umoa Fair is Professor Jean-Pierre Petit, an astrophysicist and research director for the French National Center for Scientific Research, or CNRS. 276 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Petit literally shocked his colleagues in 1990 when he announced that some of his work had been inspired by Umite Messages, a collection of typewritten letters that were primarily in Spanish. 277 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:43,800 These letters were accentuated with odd words of so-called alien origin, and signed by alleged visitors from the planet Umoa. 278 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:59,800 What's interesting is what we do with our lives. I may be the only person interested in the subject of UFOs who published scientific articles in high-profile magazines about fluid mechanics, ionized gases, cosmology, and geometry. 279 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,800 Through reflection, I was able to produce high-quality material. 280 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:15,800 What's published in UFO magazines nowadays is completely different, and I'm telling you that I was very inspired by the Umoa letters. 281 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:28,800 Jean Poillon, a computer scientist who was also interested in the Umoa documents, agreed that they contained information of alien origin. 282 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:39,800 In studying the Umite letters and the glossary of alien terms used in the documents, Jean Poillon concluded that they could not be a hoax. 283 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:46,800 In his book, Umo, True Extraterrestrials, Poillon explains how he came to this conclusion. 284 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,800 When I began working with these letters, I didn't know the theories surrounding them. 285 00:21:51,800 --> 00:22:01,800 All I had to go on was the information transcribed by Jean-Pierre Petit, and I wanted to find out more for myself, so I dug into the original source documents. 286 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,800 These letters are difficult to read, and important information is never stated directly. 287 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,800 It's only found by cross-referencing several of the documents. 288 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:16,800 That means you need to spend a lot of time working with the documents, going through each one carefully and comparing them to each other. 289 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:23,800 These documents were disturbing to everyone, from UFO groups to the French National Space Research Center. 290 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,800 No one wanted to admit that they supported this material, and that surprised me. 291 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,800 Why was it so disturbing? Because people don't like to be led down unknown paths. 292 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Umite material was not designed for scientists or UFO researchers. It's targeted towards highly intellectual people. 293 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:50,800 I have friends who are mathematicians, and when they glanced at the material, they found it interesting and highly intellectual. 294 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:56,800 Just look at the work done by Poillon, which was not done for amateurs. It was very high-brow. 295 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:03,800 It required thousands of hours of work, so you can't make a judgment on his work based on a cursory glance of it, 296 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,800 especially if you don't have the required qualifications. 297 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:13,800 To fully understand the scope and complexity of the Umo mystery, we need to go back to where it all began. 298 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:20,800 In Madrid, Spain in the mid-1960s. The key figure involved was Fernando César, 299 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:26,800 a Spaniard who claimed to have been in contact with extraterrestrials from Venus and Mars since the 1950s, 300 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,800 as well as other inhabitants of the solar system. Then along came the Umites. 301 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:45,800 In actual fact, César's group, the Happy Whale Club, existed long before the Umo mystery began. 302 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,800 César was interested in extraterrestrials and other esoteric subjects. 303 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,800 A group of people would come to listen to him tell stories in the basement of a coffee shop in Madrid, 304 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,800 where there was a huge smiling whale painted on the wall. 305 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,800 César was contacted by telephone on January 14, 1966. 306 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,800 He then began receiving letters confirming the existence of the Umites, 307 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,800 and letting him know that the next Umite craft would be landing in Iluce on February 6, 308 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,800 three weeks after the first mail delivery. 309 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,800 The letters were sent to César, who spoke about them and mixed up the contents of the letters. 310 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Supposedly, the Umites did not appreciate him mixing things up, 311 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,800 so they intentionally began adding technical information to make him lose interest. 312 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:50,800 César was a dreamer, not a scientist, so a lot of the technical information was over his head. 313 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,800 Once the letters began to be filled with equations, César started to lose interest, 314 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:02,800 but people were still coming to hear about them, like engineer Enrique Biagrassa and Dr. Aguirre. 315 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,800 These gentlemen and others began to receive the letters directly, 316 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,800 and gradually they formed their own group, the famous Madrid Group. 317 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,800 They disassociated themselves from the Happy Whale Club, 318 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:22,800 which continued to show interest in esoteric matters such as planets where butterflies laid eggs that hatched baby ducks. 319 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800 That's the sort of thing that César cared about. 320 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,800 After two to three years, they were no longer interested in Umo at all. 321 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,800 In exchange for a modest sum, César turned over all of his Umo documents to Ferioles. 322 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,800 The Umite mail packages, which bore an emblem resembling a letter of the Cyrillic alphabet, 323 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,800 explained that they had been living on Earth since the 1950s. 324 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,800 They were part of a scouting mission sent to Earth from a planet in the Virgo cluster, 325 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,800 and the contents of the letters were designed to help advance humanity. 326 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,800 The first Umite packages were received by Fernando César in 1966. 327 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,800 He received several dozen letters each year for many years. 328 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,800 Over time, the Umites found other human contacts. 329 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,800 Spanish, French, British, and even American representatives began receiving these odd packages. 330 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,800 The last Umite correspondence was received in the mail in 1995. 331 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,800 Something is real until it's proven otherwise. These letters exist. 332 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,800 I'm in the process of proving that they cannot stem from a human hoax, 333 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,800 because of all the ramifications that would involve. 334 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,800 The contents of the letters themselves also prove it. 335 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,800 I'm telling you that they are alien in origin because I have found strong proof within them to support that claim. 336 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,800 They contain 1,345 words and more than 400 expressions, more or less coherent, 337 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,800 that correspond to a language system having a base of 18 elements. 338 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,800 That's quite something. It's real. 339 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,800 And these Umite reports contain scientific information that we have started to study on the Internet. 340 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,800 When I say we, I mean a study group that was created to review my words. 341 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,800 This group now has more than 100 members throughout the world, primarily university students. 342 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:42,800 Martin Castello co-authored The Star Conspiracy, an investigation into the Umoa Fair. 343 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:50,800 She was surprised to find that this odd story seemed to circulate under a cloak of secrecy, even among university students. 344 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:58,800 I was a science journalist working for Figaro, and I was in charge at the science page. 345 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:04,800 I had to prepare an article on a scientist named Jean-Pierre Lumine, who had written about black holes. 346 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:11,800 So I went to Moudin to see him. Since he was a long-time friend of mine, once the interview was over, I asked him jokingly, 347 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,800 Jean-Pierre, have you ever heard of Umo? 348 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,800 He grabbed me, and then he led me into the hallway and said, 349 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:23,800 Be careful where you talk about that. Yes, of course, I studied the letters when I was younger, along with several other scientists. 350 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,800 I examined the letters carefully, and I pondered over the equations. I couldn't believe what he was telling me. 351 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,800 The next week, I had to give another interview for Figaro. 352 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,800 I went to Oxford, or maybe it was Cambridge, I don't recall, to see Stephen Hawking, who had just released a new book. 353 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,800 Stephen Hawking is a physicist restricted to a wheelchair due to Lou Gehrig's disease. 354 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:54,800 At the end of the interview, I asked him the same question, have you ever heard of Umo? 355 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,800 With one finger, he typed the word yes on the computer. I couldn't believe it, so I asked him if he could tell me more about it. 356 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,800 He adamantly replied, No, and wheeled away. The interview was over. 357 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Although some researchers are incredibly enthusiastic about Umo, others see it as nothing more than a very clever hoax. 358 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:21,800 It's true that the whole thing has some suspicious elements, such as a series of photographs of an Umite craft. 359 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,800 In 1967, the Umites announced in a mail package that one of their ships would be arriving soon. 360 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Then on June 1, 1967, an airship flew over the San Jose de Valdales area of Madrid. 361 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:43,800 By the strangest of coincidences, a couple of photographers just happened to be at that location and took several pictures of the object. 362 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:53,800 Interestingly, once the pictures were published in a major Madrid newspaper, the two photographers vanished into thin air, as if they had never existed. 363 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Jean-Jacques Velasco, director of France's UFO Research Group, SEPRA, recalls that an investigation was carried out by his predecessor. 364 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Yes, this matter pops up now and then. We hear about it in the media. It's quite simple, really. 365 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Our UFO Research Group was called JAPAN at the time, and our director, Claude Poir, discovered that a number of people in southern France were receiving strange packages in the mail. 366 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:32,800 In these packages, the recipients found photographs of bizarre things happening in the sky. 367 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Claude Poir had one of the pictures analyzed, and it was shown that the photograph was nothing more than a model suspended from a nylon thread. 368 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:55,800 An independent investigation, led by Ground Saucer Watch, an organization specializing in photo analysis, confirmed Poir's conclusions. 369 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:05,800 By digitizing one of the photos taken in San Jose de Valderas, the experts had no trouble detecting the thread suspending the alleged UFO. 370 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,800 Another controversial element was the quality of the information provided by the UMICS. 371 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:21,800 According to Jean-Pierre Petit, the extraordinary things mentioned in the letters proved their alien origin, but was the information truly ahead of its time, as he claims? 372 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:36,800 For example, Professor Petit said that the first packages from the UMICS, dating back to 1962, contained references to parallel universes, which most physicists believe are composed of antimatter. 373 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,800 Professor Petit claimed that no one on earth could have imagined such a concept back in 1962. 374 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:55,800 He used the same argument for magnetic hydrodynamics, or MHD, a principle of propulsion that consists of moving an object within a dense atmosphere by wrapping it in a sort of magnetic cocoon. 375 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,800 Petit said that when the UMICS reports mentioned MHD, it was a highly revolutionary principle for its time. 376 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:12,800 Jean-Pierre Petit's main problem is a question of dates. The first UMICT letters did not date back to 1962, but rather 1966. 377 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:19,800 As for the scientific information, it didn't start appearing in the UMICT reports until the late 1960s. 378 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Human discussions of parallel universes date back to 1967, when the idea was first proposed by Russian physicist Andrei Sakharov. 379 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:39,800 Same thing for MHD. In 1966, as the UMO affair was just beginning, an American team was carrying out successful testing of a submarine powered by magnetic energy. 380 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:47,800 In other words, contrary to what Jean-Pierre Petit claims, there was nothing revolutionary and probably nothing alien about the UMICT reports. 381 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:55,800 The scientific information that Jean-Pierre Petit found in the UMICT reports is undeniable and indisputable. It's there. 382 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,800 He may have been a bit off with his dates, but what counts is the details of the information that he found. 383 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:09,800 It's a fact that MHD was discussed in the UMICT documents. It was just not discussed in the same terms as those interpreted by Jean-Pierre Petit. 384 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,800 In my opinion, it was not being discussed as a means of propulsion, but rather as a source of energy. 385 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,800 The UMICT letters are like a key capable of accessing the reader's intuition. 386 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:29,800 They contain a lot of hidden information, and it took an imaginative mind like Jean-Pierre Petit's to find the building blocks of the ideas being expressed. 387 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:38,800 Researchers everywhere did the same thing. I don't think the UMICTS gave any explicit explanations, and I feel that Jean-Pierre Petit underestimated the importance of his work. 388 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,800 He was able to find two or three concepts in the reports due to his imagination and scientific intellect. 389 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:51,800 What he accomplished was not easy, and it was a lot of hard work. The UMICT letters stimulated his imagination. 390 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,800 Everything that he came out with was not stated explicitly in the UMICT reports. They only gave pointers. 391 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,800 The question remains, who wrote the UMICT reports? 392 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:08,800 If it's true that they were nothing more than a hoax, then it is generally agreed that they must have been produced by a well-managed organization. 393 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:19,800 But who, and why? In 1993, one of the key players in the UMO affair, José Luis Jordan Pena, admitted to having written the UMICT letters. 394 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:26,800 As an engineer, Pena had the knowledge required to have written these reports. But did he work alone, or did he have accomplices? 395 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,800 Pena's confessions did not convince everyone, and especially not Professor Petit. 396 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:45,800 In this story, Pena's confession came at a time when I just received a package in the mail from Saudi Arabia, signed by the UMICTs, proposing that we meet. 397 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:53,800 Who knows if it would have come about or not, but it was aborted due to an error made by Faryos. 398 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:02,800 That was when Pena began acting odd, saying all sorts of things, like the fact that he had written the UMICT documents. 399 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:15,800 I was at Rafael Faryos' house when he and Pena discussed the matter. They had known each other for about 20 years, and by announcing that he had written the documents, Pena had made Faryos look like a fool. 400 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:22,800 So Faryos was very upset. You know how Spaniards can get when they're angry. That's when I heard Pena say to Faryos, 401 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,800 Don't be mad, Rafael. The UMICTs were the ones who told me to do it. 402 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:36,800 Who are we to believe? Aliens flying on a craft suspended from a nylon thread? Who order their agents to lie on their behalf to preserve their anonymity? 403 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:48,800 Or José Luis Jordan Pena, a man tired of the 25-year cat and mouse game, he'd been playing with UFO researchers who had been desperately trying to determine his identity. 404 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,800 Will we ever learn all of the details surrounding the Umo Affair? 405 00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:03,800 Eméling Guaran is nothing more than a dream until we get some definite answers, but we never will. The Umo Affair is one of life's mysteries, like the quest for the Holy Grail. 406 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:15,800 In the mid-1990s, Raymond Santilli, a London-based film distributor, publicly announced that he had just laid his hands on a film showing an alien autopsy. 407 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:23,800 According to Santilli, the film had been taped by a former U.S. Air Force cameraman who had turned over the 16-millimeter reels. 408 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:32,800 In 1947, this cameraman had supposedly been ordered to tape the autopsy of an alien found in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico. 409 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,800 The day after the autopsy, the cameraman developed the film, which was never turned over to the Air Force for some odd reason. 410 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,800 Fascinated by such a spectacular subject, TV networks around the world were excited by this rare find. 411 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:54,800 At first, the film seemed to be authentic. Even Eric Gosselin, a special effects technician, was taken in by the film. 412 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:02,800 The first time that I saw Ray Santilli's alien autopsy, I spent several days thinking that it might be real. 413 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,800 Because there weren't really any clues that jumped out to say that it was a fake. 414 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:18,800 I didn't notice any electrical wires hanging from the alien's arms, and I didn't see any marks indicating that it was a mannequin. 415 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,800 However, shortly after the film was released to the public, several UFO believers began to have doubts as to its authenticity. 416 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,800 The circumstances surrounding the release of the film raised serious doubts. 417 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,800 Timothy Goode is one of Britain's most well-known UFO researchers. 418 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,800 He has published several books on the subject of UFOs, such as Above Top Secret. 419 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:54,800 Regarding the alien autopsy film, which was presented by Ray Santilli some years ago, I'm convinced it's a hoax. 420 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,800 I think it's suspicious that I was not invited to the original showing of the film, 421 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:07,800 and even months before I tried to contact Ray Santilli, he ignored my requests to see the film. 422 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:19,800 I'm convinced it's quite a clever fabrication done by various individuals, and I'm sure that their names will be known in due course. 423 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:26,800 Now Santilli, of course, maintains that it's genuine and that he's withholding more footage and so on and so forth. 424 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:39,800 He talks about having supplied bits of the film for analysis, but he has never supplied any actual frames from the film for proper analysis. 425 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:49,800 The day after the autopsy film was first shown in 1995, several people claimed that it contained proof that it had been filmed later than 1947, 426 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,800 such as the microphone hanging over the autopsy table and the telephone that appeared behind the doctors, 427 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,800 which was said to be more recent models than those used in 1947. 428 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:12,800 However, when we organized a private viewing at Bell Canada, technicians confirmed that the telephone was a 352, 429 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,800 a commercial model used as early as 1941. 430 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,800 As for the microphone, we checked with the technicians at Shore Brothers in Illinois, 431 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,800 who advised us that the model in the film had been available on the market since 1942. 432 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,800 In other words, there was no proof that the film had not been taped in 1947. 433 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:41,800 Unable to prove that it was filmed later than 1947, analysts turned to a theory that it was possibly a clever trick, 434 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,800 an argument countered by the exorbitant cost of such a production. 435 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:52,800 Invited as an expert on a television program, Eric Gosselin said that he could prove this objection wrong. 436 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,800 On the TV show, I was challenged to recreate the autopsy film, and I accepted the challenge. 437 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:09,800 I created an alien that I had to open up an autopsy as was done in the Santilli film. 438 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:19,800 Eric Gosselin and his brother Carl produced a film whose sole purpose was to prove that Ray Santilli's alien autopsy 439 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,800 could be recreated at a reasonable cost. 440 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,800 Obviously, I didn't have 200 to 300 thousand dollars to invest in my production. 441 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,800 On top of that, there was the question of when my version would be aired. 442 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,800 I only had two weeks to put it all together. 443 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,800 I managed to get it done within the two weeks for less than 2,000 dollars. 444 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,800 Even though they proved that it was possible to produce something similar to alien autopsy at a reasonable cost, 445 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,800 the Gosselin brothers in no way proved that Santilli's film was a fake. 446 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,800 Further proof was still needed. 447 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,800 Santilli was still keeping quiet about the identity of the person who had taped the film. 448 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:11,800 Finally, after being bombarded with questions, the film distributor said that it had been created by Jack Barnett, 449 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,800 a cameraman who had also taped initial testing of the atomic bomb south of Trinity, New Mexico. 450 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,800 Research showed that only two cameramen were authorized to film those famous tests, 451 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,800 and neither one of them fit the description given by Ray Santilli. 452 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,800 The British producer also claimed that his film had been analyzed by the Kodak film company, 453 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,800 who supposedly confirmed that it did indeed date back to 1947. 454 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,800 There was something not quite right about this. 455 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:46,800 We got in touch with Peter Nielsen, the person at Kodak's England office, who had performed this alleged analysis. 456 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,800 He wrote to us explaining that he never analyzed Santilli's film. 457 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,800 However, he did admit to having studied a piece of film submitted by the British producer. 458 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,800 It was a blank piece of celluloid used to hold the film on its reel. 459 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:10,800 Based on the specific code appearing on this celluloid, Nielsen wrote that it was possible that it had been removed from a film dating back to 1947. 460 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:18,800 He also cautioned that since it was void of any image, there was no way of proving that it had come from the autopsy film. 461 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:27,800 Santilli distributes old American movies, and could have easily taken this celluloid from any production dating back to 1947. 462 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,800 No one has ever seen the actual film that the autopsy was taped on. 463 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:39,800 Santilli generally shows the film on magnetic media, with the pretext that the original reels are safely locked in a vault. 464 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,800 He is, however, more than happy to show people the metal cases in which he keeps the reels. 465 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,800 One of them has a suspicious looking label. 466 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:56,800 Other than a few mundane markings, the label bears the official stamp of the American Department of Defense. 467 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,800 This raises two points. 468 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,800 Firstly, if the film was never turned over to the Air Force in the first place, then why does it bear their stamp? 469 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,800 Secondly, upon checking with the National Archives Office in Washington, D.C., 470 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,800 it was discovered that this stamp was not made official by the U.S. President until October 1947, 471 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,800 at least four months after the autopsy film was taped. 472 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,800 A flaw in the film date had finally been found. 473 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,800 John Spencer has written many books on UFOs, including an encyclopedia. 474 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:37,800 For many years, he also headed the British UFO Research Association, or Bufora, the largest UFO group in Great Britain. 475 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,800 Now, I have to say that there is so much evidence that it's a fake, that that's where my feeling is. 476 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:51,800 The way in which it came to light, the way in which the whole film is shot, it has a certain theatricalness about it. 477 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,800 And when we compare it to actual autopsies done at the time and so on, actually it's not that good. 478 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,800 It's not the way it would be done and so on. 479 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,800 So there's an awful lot wrong with that film. 480 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:08,800 The question that of course is paramount, I suppose, is was Ray Santilli the person who faked it, 481 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,800 or was he a victim of the hoaxer himself? 482 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,800 And on that question, I think the jury's out. 483 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,800 In the police world, it is well known that to find a culprit, you need to know who is profiting from the crime. 484 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:26,800 To date, it is estimated that Raymond Santilli has made about $7 million on his autopsy film. 485 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,800 P.T. Barnum is credited with saying, a fool is born every minute. 486 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:40,800 If P.T. Barnum was alive today, the showman would certainly be amused to see that one of his exhibits was passed off as an alien hand. 487 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,800 The television networks paid several thousand dollars to show the autopsy of a rubber mannequin, 488 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:53,800 and that scientists are pouring over letters of questionable alien origin in the hopes of finding revolutionary new ideas. 489 00:44:53,800 --> 00:45:00,800 If P.T. Barnum was alive today, he would no doubt be working in the field of UFOs. 490 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,800 The showman is also credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 491 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:45,800 The showman is also credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 492 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,800 The showman is also credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 493 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:58,800 The showman is credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 494 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,800 The showman is credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 495 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,800 The showman is credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 496 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,800 The showman is credited with saying that he is a victim of the hoaxer himself. 497 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:32,800 Music